Can lucid dreaming detract from the recuperative effect of REM sleep?

Imagine you mastered lucid dreaming, so you have a lucid dream every night. You might want to use this phase to do creative work or problem solving.

Would this have a negative influence on the recuperative effect of sleep?

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@draks note that this question has been asked (and answered) on quora: quora.com/Sleep/… – Jeff Nov 29 '12 at 5:46
@Jeff thanks for the link, but in my opinion the answers there are inconclusive, but it looks like it depends on you... – draks ... Apr 8 '13 at 22:42
@Jeff can you use the resources in the quora answers to inform an answer suitable to this site? – Artem Kaznatcheev Dec 4 '13 at 17:30
@jeff would you mind posting an answer here? – draks ... Jan 7 '14 at 9:12
@draks... '@Artem i posted the link because i thought it provided an answer to your question, but this is not my area of expertise. if one of you wants to paraphrase the answer on quora or do some more research, that would be great, but i don't have time for it at the moment – Jeff Jan 9 '14 at 18:31

Having experienced this, here is the outcome :

When having back to back Lucid dreams, one begins to create a new world in which, you begin to have real problems when dreaming or when awake, and essentially comes to make a choice as to which one YOU would like to live in, or to determine which is the real world. This occurs when one has evolved to the point where your Lucid dream would continue from being Awake in the exact same manner that life continues while you are asleep. I am not sure how this happens, but the effects can be quite confusing.

When doing this, I had no problems with obtaining REM, and in fact found that it was much easier to obtain that state within a few minutes.

Mastering lucid dreaming is beneficial, however you will begin to notice that the world you created are bound by laws as well -- albeit a completely different set of rules. For example, one common pretext for dreaming is the wish to fly. When adopted into your world, you may find that you CAN fly, or do pretty much anything, but it requires and existential resource which may or may not be limited in quantity. You are also able to sense that Death in a Lucid dream will definitely kill you, but you start to lose touch with the vice-vera.

To use the state for higher-learning, happens at entry level lucid dreaming where you are in control, but everything may still be a bit "fuzzy". Your dream may carry you through whatever it is that you wish to learn. When mastering Lucid dreams, it works a bit different, in that the whole environment now has it's own life that continues while you are awake. A good (simple) example of this would be if you were to consider the following :

Real Life

You are a passenger in a car and you fall asleep.

Before falling asleep, you notice that

 * The driver is smoking
* You are nearing the exit of the city you are leaving
* It's raining
* A certain song is playing on the radio
* Your little brother is playing with his phone
* Your little sister is sleeping


When you wake up,

  * The driver is no longer smoking
* You are just entering the driveway of your destination
* It is bright and sunny
* "News" is playing on the radio
* Your cushion is now too warm
* Your little brother is asleep
* Your little sister is now awake and playing video games on her portable game device.


Now picture all of that happening, but replace 'Real Life' with Lucid dream, and your sleeping with 'wake up' and your wake up' with sleeping. You can begin to understand how mastering Lucid dreaming can then become a real problem the longer this process continues.

My advice, is instead of mastering Lucid dreaming, would be to utilize the benefits of entry level lucid dream states for higher learning.

To this day, I still have no idea whether I am awake or asleep, and that is not a philosophical reason for it, but from my experiences of Lucid dreaming. Is this 'real' or is it 'real' when I am in my dream world.

I hope this helps.

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Your answer does not really seem to target the question (effect of lucid dreaming on effectiveness of 'normal' sleep) – Christiaan Dec 21 '14 at 9:50
Actually, it does, however it is expanded as it isn't a straight yes/no answer. The effects can vary from person to person, and depending upon the depth of how far into Lucid you go. The answer I gave was "When doing this, I had no problems with obtaining REM, and in fact found that it was much easier to obtain that state within a few minutes." . That may vary, but REM is all you need to be rested, hence why you can have a 10 minute nap and feel fully refreshed. Average person requires about 8 hours sleep for a few minutes of REM. – Sanuel Jackson Dec 21 '14 at 15:50
No references. Dubious claims. -1. – blz Dec 22 '14 at 22:15
@blz The reference was my personal experience. I challenge that Any "research" in the area (if ever done) would not be reliable in results as it would be based on the subjects opinions of if they had a lucid dream or not, and would require back to back lucid dreaming. The fact is, if you can control how fast you go into "dream" state -- that is your REM (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid_eye_movement_sleep) then you can control your 'rest'. The only difference with Lucid is the lines can become blurred between what is real, and what is dream. – Sanuel Jackson Dec 23 '14 at 17:00
@SanuelJackson "The reference was my personal experience". Yes, that's precisely the problem. There are empirical studies relating to lucid dreaming, as a cursory google scholar search reveals, but your personal experience and subsequent speculation isn't addressing the question in an empirical manner. It's anecdotal, hence the downvote. (That said, I mean no disrespect!) – blz Dec 29 '14 at 20:37